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louisg



Joined: 16 Aug 2007
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 22:11    Post subject: GYMtastic Reply with quote

Hi all,
Over the last few days, I've coded a program which rips instruments from GYMs and saves them as either readable text output or a VOPM .fxp. I have a Mac PPC build online, but it is probably usable on an Intel mac too by using the "open" command. It's a command-line app, and here's an example:

./gymtastic vopm StreetsOfRage_St1.gym 600 2 mypatch.fxp

This would save the instrument on channel 2 at frame 600 of the given .gym to the file mypatch.fxp. There are 60 frames per second, so this would be 10 seconds into the piece. PCM and LFO data is not saved in the FXP. I hope someone finds this handy, and let me know if any bugs are found!

It can be downloaded here:
http://www.gorenfeld.net/lou/gymtastic-alpha-macppc.tar.gz
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Shiru



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 22:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why GYM, not VGM?
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louisg



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 22:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiru wrote:
Why GYM, not VGM?


Because I know where to get tons of them. I could support VGM too though later on. I want to get a few features implemented first, like fb-01 and rip-all-instruments.

BTW, GYM makes for better puns.
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Shiru



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 22:47    Post subject: Reply with quote

louisg wrote:
Because I know where to get tons of them.

Zophar? I think, Project2612 has much more VGM rips than any GYM archive.
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louisg



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 22:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiru wrote:
Zophar? I think, Project2612 has much more VGM rips than any GYM archive.


I'll check it out sometime. VGM support is low priority at this point though. Is there a soundtrack in particular you'd like to rip from which isn't offered in GYM?
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Shiru



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 23:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

No. I made tools with same functionality some time ago (on my homepage, with sources), but with VGM support only, and wondering if there reason to support GYM too (I personally think it's obsolete format).
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louisg



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 23:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiru wrote:
No. I made tools with same functionality some time ago (on my homepage, with sources), but with VGM support only, and wondering if there reason to support GYM too (I personally think it's obsolete format).


There's probably no reason; it's just the format I'm used to using. I didn't realize there was already a tool for this. I just had an urge to load Genesis sounds into the OPM synths and devices I had around and figured the best way would be to start coding! Anyway, I'd love it if someone would start using it and give me feedback on bugs and what-not.

Edit: Source is now up at http://www.gorenfeld.net/lou/gymtastic_src.alpha.tar.gz
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louisg



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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 23:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok, so here are some things I could add to make it sufficiently different:

- Finish the fb-01 sysex stuff-- beam Genesis patches directly to your FB-01
- MIDI support for the aforementioned device so you don't need a sysex loader
- FXB saving as well as the FXPs it handles now (tidy)
- Incorportate a YM emulator for a way to step through a music dump and solo channels, and then hit a key to dump what you hear
- Maybe support for more FM devices or more softsynths?
- Accept both seconds and frames for time, and support ripping ranges of time (including whole song)
- Add a GUI, maybe turning it into patch librarian/editing software

The big question is.... would anyone want this? Is this useful, or should I just hang up development on this thing?
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Malfunction



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 17:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

louisg wrote:
The big question is.... would anyone want this? Is this useful, or should I just hang up development on this thing?

Definitely YES Very Happy
I was thinking about similar tool for different soundchips back then (YM2151's CYM files, YM files etc) - It will be great and VERY useful for upcoming FM-Beauty Smile

There are plenty of nice sounds hidden inside GYM, CYM files. BTW - while extracting YM2612's instruments, please don't forget about PSG logging too Smile
You will never know when it may be used... I assume we could wrap it's registers into Philips SAA1099 Wink

And PCM drum samples inside may be interesting too...
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 17:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shiru wrote:
I personally think it [GYM] is an obsolete format

It's a fact. Since I discovered Project2612's huge collection of VGM files and the high activity among its users I've abandoned GYM for good.
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Malfunction



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 18:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zinger, do you have whole collection? Looks like torrent file has no seeders Sad
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 18:28    Post subject: Reply with quote

I sent the whole pack over to Mindcooler a few months ago, he uploaded it here: http://slask.sys5.se/q/Project2612_-_The_Collection.7z

That set is probably at least one year old though.
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TmEE



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 18:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Louisg : you might want to support TFI format outputting too...

I will continue using Shiru's great tool, as I do think GYM is obsolete, and have nothing more than VGM files on my HDD.
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louisg



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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 19:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm ok, it looks like VGM would be easy to support, but the question really is whether features could be added which would make this a useful tool despite a similar one existing. I know some of the features I listed are things that I would like to have, but if I'm the only one it's probably not worth going to the trouble to code it.

So, of the potential features I listed above, which ones would you think would be neat to have? And, does anyone here still use vintage Yamaha 4-op FM gear (including stuff like tx81z)? Any interest in a way to rip from other chips, like those found in MAMEable arcade games?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 20:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

MAME ripping, that's definetly of interes. A good versatile and easy to use ripping software is very much needed so I do think you should carry on!
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