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Janoch



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 19:03    Post subject: FM Beauty Reply with quote

Where can I find more info on this project? What's its current status?
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tinctu



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well FM-B is in prototype stage.
Malfunction + his friend are developerers.
It will be external USB YM262+2612/socket/+DAC+RAM soundcard+gameports (+8bit computer turbocard...) with CPU and VSTi controlable + updateable via daughter-board.

But better ask Malfunction for better details
,or read http://www.adlibtracker.net/ -> message board -> from page 24!!!
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Random



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PostPosted: Wed Sep 05, 2007 16:21    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, that's a very ambitious project. Janoch, if you find out anything more, please let us know Smile
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Malfunction



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 08:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

About FM-Beauty project:

FM-Beauty is an external FM synthesizer on USB.
Here is a short list of capabilities:

1. Zilog EZ80 50MHz drived CPU for soundsystems feeding, USB protocol, MIDI protocol, UserWare software running (for example SN76489 emulator)
2. About 1MB of Static RAM for samples, UserWare, patterns, etc
3. Yamaha OPL3 (YMF262-M) on board - genuine one.
4. Yamaha OPN2 (YM2612) on board - genuine one.
5. PCM amiga-like, 8-bit with analog volume control, IRQ-driven sample channels. Suitable for drums or layering with FM channels
6. Internal daughterboard slot for our or home-made circuits/chips (for example SID/POKEY/SAA1099, video controller or additional memory - whatever)
7. USB-port
8. System Bus for connection with old computers (8/16-bit)
9. 2xDB9 joyports for connecting Sega pads, Atari/Commodore joysticks, etc
10. VSTi sound editor

That design should be capable of making nice FM and to be used with emulators like DOSBOX, Sega MasterSystem/GameGear/Megadrive emulators, AdT2 for Windows etc.

From the other side - VSTi frontend should be interesting from professional side Smile

The price of that external synthesizer will be about 100EUR - to be available for many people.

FM-Beauty is in early prototype stage now, but as soon as we will have something to show - I'll inform You for sure! Smile

Feel free to asking Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 08:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Simply the best synth project ever. Smile What about audio outputs? Could you give us some specs?
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danyl



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 09:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

FM-Beauty also makes other interesting stuff possible: for example USB-to-C64/ATARI/AMIGA connection, which would allow disk transfer or in case of the C64, a "SID-slave"; like my pc64-hardsidclone, only with usb. Also a Hardware Synder or other synthesizers would be possible. Imagine playing some synthesizer tunes using a c64/atari/amiga ^^
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Malfunction



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PostPosted: Fri Sep 14, 2007 09:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope that Danyl will make his SYNDER working on FM-Beauty. Our hardware should be enought powerfull Smile

About audio output:
- stereo CHINCH
- headphones minijack
- probably LINIE-in minijack for dughterboard (when daughterboard will support that - for example daught. with filters or effects)
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tinctu



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 11:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Malfi.
Check this out:
www.SARATRONICS.com

It is SAA1099P soundmodule.What about do some kind RISER-CARD

between FM-B´s daugterboard and SARA-Board???To use that module.
That guy wrote me that his firm has 1000x of that boards still available for sale...
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Malfunction



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 16:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't see any problem here ;D Only sound will have to be wired back to internal bus for mixing ;D

And I have some news about FM-Beauty. Looks like we will not use YM2612 (OPN2). We will try to use YMF288 OPN3-L instead.

It has YM2149F inside (mono output), 3rd and 6th channels could have splitted frequencies (not only 3rd channel as TmEE proved for YM2612) and 6 rhythm channels. The biggest difference is lack of YM2612's DAC mode (when 6th channel is disabled) - but we will redirect register access to normal DAC, so it will be possible to use 6th channel and DAC at once. Probably even with DAC's hardware volume control - impossible on real YM2612 Twisted Evil

So - we will still have SEGA compatibility (with improvements Wink + additional AtariST/ZX/CPC/MSX compatybility + additional 6 rhythm channels.

...but I still don't know how on earth those rhythm channels sound like Very Happy
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Knurek



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 17:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malfunction wrote:

...but I still don't know how on earth those rhythm channels sound like Very Happy


My guess, is they are based on YM2608 (OPNA)'s ones.
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Malfunction



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 17:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Exactly! YMF288 is a successor of the YM2608 chip. The main difference is lack of ADPCM channel. But I don't know how YM2608's rhythm channels sound like Very Happy
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tinctu



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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 18:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow I will take 2x Malfi!
It is time to save some money for that FM-BEAbeast.

PS: So

OPL3
YMF288
DAC
+SAA1099P

LOL


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PostPosted: Sat Sep 15, 2007 18:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malfunction wrote:
Exactly! YMF288 is a successor of the YM2608 chip. The main difference is lack of ADPCM channel. But I don't know how YM2608's rhythm channels sound like Very Happy
Like this: http://www.soundshock.se/forum/profiles/tyama/sc98.mp3
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Knurek



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malfunction wrote:
Exactly! YMF288 is a successor of the YM2608 chip. The main difference is lack of ADPCM channel. But I don't know how YM2608's rhythm channels sound like Very Happy


There's a pack with samples recorded from the real hardware on Hoot Archive and you can also mute FM/SSG channels in Hoot while listening to games that use that. Smile
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Malfunction



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 11:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any Linux player for Hoot?
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